tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post1444589759614320214..comments2023-06-29T06:19:46.900-07:00Comments on Family Ties: ACLU Continues to Ignore the Facts and Discriminate Against Adult AdopteesSusan P.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00349497879874393200noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-69456834069681320182013-04-08T07:55:43.469-07:002013-04-08T07:55:43.469-07:00I was thinking to, what if many of us wrote letter...I was thinking to, what if many of us wrote letters to Michele Obama. First mothers and adoptees. I wonder if The First Lady would help us. She is a Mom. The President is involved in many things and adoption I guess is not high on the agenda so, maybe Mrs. Obama would take an interest? We could talk about how the passed clean bill in Maine has never caused any problems and that there are no hysterical birthmothers marching all over the place screaming about their privacy, along with Aussie's wonderful prime minister who just apologized to firstmothers and adoptees and there has been no problem there either. Nor has there ever been in Kansas or Alabama where records were never closed. Good idea? Bad? Anybody wonder if Ann Rivers is really a birthmother? I wish I could make her take a lie detector test!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-50087654512749928772013-04-05T18:12:07.705-07:002013-04-05T18:12:07.705-07:00Well actually yes, but I don't know if people ...Well actually yes, but I don't know if people will like them or not. It is going to take some leg work and just getting down to the nitty gritty. I think many of us need to start making pamphlets and handing them out-at grocery stores as people are walking in. These pamphlets would explain our dilemma and would ask people to please call their Rep or Governor. I know one of the problems with this are any AP's or social workers we we might hand one to, but oh well, lol. We need to really have monthly protests in as many states as we can, not just once a year or once in a while. If adoptees and first mothers do this in their state we can at lease make more noise, and I know a of of people are working hard, but we are just not loud enough I don't think. I'll try to come up with more ideas-I read your blog a lot because I like it and I like you so maybe something better will come to me later and I will let you know. I just can't believe sometimes the high mountain they have made us (adoptees) climb. What a nightmare huh? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-66363671719977443392013-04-05T09:41:31.936-07:002013-04-05T09:41:31.936-07:00I am incredibly frustrated with the political proc...I am incredibly frustrated with the political process as well -- I am beginning to think that we will get justice only when the courts weigh in on this, and I'm not confident that even they will get it right. We have a wonderful attorney who speaks for us as part of NJCARE, but so far, it hasn't been enough to counteract the influence of lobbies like Right to Life, the Bar Association, ACLU, and National Council for Adoption. Unfortunately, ours is an issue that can easily be misunderstood and distorted -- when it comes to facts, the obstructionists don't have a leg to stand on. That is why the whole situation is so infuriating. We need more of us to speak out -- any ideas about how we can get more people involved?Susan P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00349497879874393200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-38527612145454979352013-04-05T08:27:35.898-07:002013-04-05T08:27:35.898-07:00@ Peter Franklin, what a great comment. Thank you....@ Peter Franklin, what a great comment. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-61131786163996676082013-04-05T08:24:28.662-07:002013-04-05T08:24:28.662-07:00Well, there has to be some way to go over their he...Well, there has to be some way to go over their heads. Do you think there is at least one attorney in NJ who would agree with us? You know more about this than I do Susan and I guess I don't understand fully what it means when the NJ Bar Assoc. is against us, and what we could do. The problem is also stupid Christie and all his blather about his adopted sister. You know, just damn all these idiots, sorry but I am so frustrated so that is what they get!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-75963720939802661752013-04-04T18:35:37.213-07:002013-04-04T18:35:37.213-07:00Can we all scream together? This is so outrageous ...Can we all scream together? This is so outrageous that it is hard to be calm about this anymore. This gives first mothers and fathers power they never had before. <br /><br />And Robin is right, as far as I know the Florida ACLU has been in support of adult access to OBCs. What we need is to have someone knock some sense into the national head of the ACLU. That they support birth-mother/birth-father privacy is absurd and wrong. Would they also support privacy of birth fathers in paternity suits? That makes as much sense as their position on this. <br /><br />No matter how much secrecy was involved at the time of my daughter's birth, I never wanted to be anonymous from her. But I had no choice in the matter, the state decreed the silence, and this tyranny lives on. All we can do it keep raising our voices in protest and find someone who will mount a class-action suit. Lorraine Duskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285341379272250245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-60031744138265480022013-04-04T17:51:25.894-07:002013-04-04T17:51:25.894-07:00Funny how the ACLU thinks teenage daughters should...Funny how the ACLU thinks teenage daughters should have the right to an abortion without consulting a parent but an adult adoptee has to get permission from a parent, that did not raise them, just to see their own birth certificate.<br />AdopteesWithOutLiberty.comPeter Franklinhttp://adopteeswithliberty.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-81883146534582055232013-04-04T16:31:10.887-07:002013-04-04T16:31:10.887-07:00"Because a birth mother has no fundamental ri..."Because a birth mother has no fundamental right to have her child adopted, she also can have no correlative fundamental right to have her child adopted under circumstances that guarantee that her identity will not be revealed to the child."<br /><br /><br />This makes perfect sense and I never knew the judges stated this in the Oregon opinion. So you can surrender your child, but there is no guarantee an adoption will actually take place. So all these decades, it has been presumed that birth mothers had a legal right that never actually existed. NO RIGHT TO ADOPTION; THEREFORE, NO RIGHT TO PRVACY! EUREKA. It's a simple concept! <br /><br />Maybe the ACLU needs a dumping on of letters like yours until they get it through their shriveled little heads that they are believing a myth. Georgia Tann would be proud as well as the evil little man who decided to implement closed records when he also decided it was a great idea to send kids across the country on the orphan trains. <br /> <br />Found this at Wikipedia: The origin of the move toward secrecy began with Charles Loring Brace who introduced it to prevent children from the Orphan Trains from returning to or being reclaimed by their parents (nothing whatsoever to do with birth parent privacy--it was a cruel way to keep the indentured servants with their forever families.)<br /><br />I hope and pray that this Ohio bill passes and the experts involved can influence the misinformed powers that be in NJ. <br /><br /><br />Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575558244573598420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-19917094993741243402013-04-04T16:03:25.351-07:002013-04-04T16:03:25.351-07:00The ACLU talks up a storm but have they ever been ...The ACLU talks up a storm but have they ever been able to show this "right to legal confidentiality" of which they speak? If such a thing existed, where was the enforcement of this right in instances such forcing our President to make public his own birth certificate....did this document not have the names of parents on it? Is there a magical invisible document assuring such legal right in surrender documents? Let's see the template.<br /><br />No, the ACLU are a bunch of aging, entitled, potential adopters and are trying to keep the odds slanted in their favor.Laura Schwartznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-11104354198682889462013-04-04T14:50:30.521-07:002013-04-04T14:50:30.521-07:00I agree with you. The question, though, is what g...I agree with you. The question, though, is what group of attorneys do we get to talk with the ACLU and other obstructionist lobbies? The NJ Bar Association opposes adult adoptee access bills along with ACLU-NJ, and it uses the same faulty reasoning.Susan P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00349497879874393200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-8191801583720965702013-04-04T14:47:44.596-07:002013-04-04T14:47:44.596-07:00Thanks for your comment, Lori. I look forward to ...Thanks for your comment, Lori. I look forward to ordering and reading your book, especially the chapter on how we can best mobilize today's adoptive parents to support adult adoptee rights.Susan P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00349497879874393200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-3569814116449612352013-04-04T14:44:04.381-07:002013-04-04T14:44:04.381-07:00Hi Robin,
I'm not sure whether the Florida AC...Hi Robin, <br />I'm not sure whether the Florida ACLU today supports adult adoptee access or not. Back in 1987, the Southwest Florida Chapter Board of the ACLU wrote this policy statement and asked that the Florida and National ACLU adopt it:<br /><br />"Numerous states have laws or procedures which impede the ability of adopted adults, their birthparents and other relatives to ascertain each others' identities. The ACLU believes that as long as state and/or local governments choose to maintain birth records, such records must be maintained and accessible without discrimination by virtue of adopted or non-adopted status."<br /><br />Obviously, this is not the stance of ACLU National today, and in the states of Washington and New Jersey, the ACLU chapters are obstructionists, even though their positions are ignorant and contrary to court precedent.Susan P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00349497879874393200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-63620107821639347582013-04-04T13:00:54.796-07:002013-04-04T13:00:54.796-07:00Doesn't the Florida ACLU support open records?...Doesn't the Florida ACLU support open records? I wonder why there is a difference and what information they are basing their position on. Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-2955135808913455852013-04-04T12:30:57.102-07:002013-04-04T12:30:57.102-07:00Since there was NO law in any state since 1936 tha...Since there was NO law in any state since 1936 that stated that all placing mothers HAVE a right to birth mother privacy, it is time to get attorney's to talk with the ACLU and all other organizations to end this charade once and for all. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8112566410387491537.post-37952820982447550072013-04-04T11:59:27.212-07:002013-04-04T11:59:27.212-07:00You asked them to look at the issue with fresh eye...You asked them to look at the issue with fresh eyes (specifically tne new Executive Director's) and the response was the same old responses.<br /><br />You refuted Mr Herrarte's points well, IMO.<br /><br />As we can tell by so many other civil rights movements, those blocking progress will prove to be on the wrong side eventually, especially with persistent effort to shine light and open things up.Lori Lavender Luzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15394441222262940632noreply@blogger.com